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More ideological. she's saying if i'm going to have a place in this crowded primary, if i'm going to have a brand, my brand is going to be the common sensical candidate who's not talking about pie in the sky stuff but is talking about what i can do for you maybe in the next four years. >> and mark preston, one of the things at the end that struck us as we were listening and we're going to hear a lot more about, her uncle dick, her uncle dick who was talking about the deer shed, and this is with regard to guns and guns in america. she was very clear about the outrage over massacres. the one rec...

Donald trump thinking that suggesting firing me blackman. >> that's a good question. the president has a knack and a gutt level political instinct for finding these cultural issues that get people spun up. i mean, the issue of kneeling during the national anthem, many people in the middle of the country it's a common sensical issue. there was a survey done by reuters that found people overwhelmingly not liking colin kaepernick's kneeling during the national anthem so the president finds himself on the right side of public opinion in that case. for him, now he's engaged in a battle not just wit...

Team and spokesman with the trump campaign said that's not true. the russians were telling the truth and americans were lying. russians said this right after the election and nobody believed them. >> now here wear. u.s. intelligence agents say that the frequency raised red flags. take us into the thinking. what is the biggest concern? >> working inside the cia as analyst would always look for indicators. that would be indicator. wouldn't be need at that point to have frequent communication with another country. should be congrattory calls and issues like that, shouldn't be discussion policy at...

That is out there? >> i'm not sure it comes down to one particular item. americans are smart, common sensical people. when the curtain closes behind them in the polling places they think about the nuclear trigger and the fact that one american controls the american nuclear strike and one person is making nominations to the supreme court. i think we get caught up in the moment by moment of the election and at the end of the day people revert to common sense. on the one hand, you have a guy who comes out of no where who says what he does and donald trump out there with a set of values that doesn...

Wise common sensical thing but radical given the history. >> i would say it's radical and i would say it's going to be very interesting to see how he performs in his post-papacy to establish a precedent for this. >> i imagine a jimmy carter sort of thing. >> "the onion" had a good article about him joining a catholic think tank. it will be very interesting because i think there is potentially -- i think it may be modern and it may be good and it may be something inevitably was going to happen as our lives are being extended into senility and things we're not used to. there could be a danger wi...