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Part? something the u.s. had been pursuing. >> it's very important that the united states and chinese officials meet, as bad as relations are and seem to be at this moment, china is a critically important country in the world and whether either country likes it or not, we have to keep the lines of communication open. there's too much at risk. while we work to address our very significant differences, we need to make sure that we are connected. because if we're not worse things could happen. >> let me ask you this, does china expect the united states -- they must expect the united states to at ...

And got angry and threatened us. look, we need to keep the lines of communication open. i think they should be reaching out to us, not us to them to kind of resolve this. the relationship is going downhill, we need to find the bottom and build it back up. but we the american people, the western allies, democracies of the world should not be disabused of the fact that the chinese have a strategic, and that is to dominate the pacific. and change the rules to suit the needs of the chinese communist party and that's what we're up against in the 21st century. >> thank you for your time. >> thank yo...

Modalities of communication open, china declined a call after all of this. what sort of information did that include and how is china responding? >> china is not -- go ahead. china has not been responding well and they are accusing the u.s. of overreacting. but one thing that is interesting, i think, is there was communication between the biden administration and the chinese government during this sort of balloon crisis. before it was shot down, blinken did speak to a very high ranking chinese official during -- before the shootdown occurred. i think that's significant. there was some communic...

Chinese. the backdrop here the biden administration doesn't really have a china policy. if you say what's our china foreign policy, you don't really get a clear answer. so it's basically a rejection or a collapse of this attempt from the if state department to have better relations with china. mike: in your view, did they make the right call in terms of calling off the secretary of state's trip? would it have looked weak if he had gone ahead with his trip? >> it would have, yeah. it looked weak, frankly, that he was doing it anyway, and the rumors were that in going, he was probably going to b...

Prc at multiple levels. >> that is key here, that the u.s. has continued to keep these channels of communication open with the chinese and remains unclear however whether the u.s. still going to potentially keep that option on the table of taking it out by force. shooting it down, as we've seen republicans in congress have been urging the biden administration to take some kind of major action here and shoot the balloon down. because they fear that it could be collecting intelligence about potentially very sensitive missile installations inside the united states. >> thank you for all of that. l...