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This is where we really are. forget about the politics. and then open up the fundamental questions. how should we as a people want to distribute the cost of paying for agreed public goods and services, and which public goods and services do we want? you know, i think it's interesting to me how we've kind of gone off a track. and this has long, deep roots and a long time track, but i think the decision to go to iraq as a preemptive war was a monumentally important concept changer, so that when we decide to go to libya, there's hardly a whimper that the united states is now going to get engaged ...

Monumentally important concept changer, so that when we decide to go to libya, there's hardly a whimper that the united states is now going to get engaged in another war from on high to be sure, but i think that's the thing that's really concerning. people saying what's happened to the fundamentals of our country? >> paul, just on your point if i may. i totally agree with you, it is imperative we get on the right track fiscally. and if we do, we have great strengths. i think we can succeed. this is a question of political will. i don't think we can get there overnight. in 1993 when we put toge...