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the media kept touting each ballot as a crushing defeat for ken mccash think -- kevin mccarthy, although he was winning 95% of house republicans. that was especially true late friday night when after flipping most of his opponents to his side, mccarthy lost by one vote. you could see he was stunned as he walks away there, and one ally, mike rogers, made a beeline for matt gaetz who had taken a half step by voting present. not until the early morning our hours yesterday did mccarthy win. some of the talking heads predicted mccarthy would drop out. >> i suspect that when they come back...

In -- spectator.com, and in los angeles, leslie marshall, both are fox news contributors. ben, my question is about the 20 holdouts. what did they stand for? what did they really want? did they want a deal or just to revel in the media attention? >> i actually think they wanted some very specific things, most of which they got. i think a lot of folks in washington, myself included, think they could have gotten there without this kind of display. part of the business of being a legislator is convincing the majority of people within your conference that these are the number of steps that need to...