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Think. >> correct. >> this is what other people are thinking. they're just not saying it. >> correct. and i think that, you know, we haven't confronted that lie and the origin in the founding of the country. i think we lie to ourselves when we say america was founded on freedom and equality, because it wasn't. you and i were not a part of that freedom and equality laid out in the constitution and in our founding documents. but what i think is damaging the country now is that we aren't -- we don't have the courage to call out the president for what he's saying and to label it racism when it's r...

To charlie gasparino. sometimes flipping around it gets lost. what do you think? >> yeah, look at this way. i haven't read the book. you and i have read the excerpts. a lot of name calling of the president. an effing idiot and moron. guess what? this effing moron did a couple basic things off the bat for the economy. he said we're not going to attack business like president obama did who is allegedly smart. we're not going crush them with regulations. we're not going to hit them with consent decrees and fines. guess what? we're going to lower their dashes so they're competitive. that is all fo...

The country. heather: lead by example. his attitude being supportive of law enforcement being respectful of law enforcement will spread to others in the community. >> we had a situation with president obama seemed he was more opposed to and set up a series of consent decrees to target these police departments where one of the first things donald trump did is rolled back consent decrees and believes police departments were capable of policing themselves. jillian: heather: we hope the number of officer fatalities continue to drop. thanks for joining us. have a great new year. can you believe it ...

Officers and police officers love the fact that he is a blue lives matter guy, not a black guy let matter. it does trickle down. if he's going to be seen as guilty before the action is even taken great >> right. i think that's an excellent example. i would also just point to some of the policies. and i agree that policing is fundamentally a local phenomeno phenomenon. nevertheless there's things that attorney general sessions has done that are also sending a very powerful message to cops. he has tried to free departments from the unnecessary and costly consent decrees that the obama administra...

Period of time, and this is being clearly reported by news and their data analysis, is that we're seeing a reduction in police-involved shootings. and in addition, we also see reduction in violence crime. so i think it's very important to note that science cannot be defied whatsoever. however, we have a current white house administration who states that we're going to step away from the type of things that really has helped to reduce crime in this country. and consent decrees, or collaborative agreements are seeking help from the doj is not of importance. but it is an of extreme importance and...