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I think you're absolutely right. if your entire modus operandi is to fight something that is two feet in front of, you to be reactive to the online politics of the moment, and to live in a conservative echo chamber, then it becomes increasingly hard for you to appeal beyond that echo chamber. this disney fight is just proof of it. if you saw the reaction to it online after the news, the reaction from conservatives online was actually quite, they were cheering on desantis. they said, who needs these jobs? anyway we don't want these people from california coming to florida. there's so much traff...

Him earlier today. ideas? so, you know, there's a bunch of these texts, also from laura ingraham, charlie, and again, it's beyond even asking the question of, like, is this a breach of journalistic ethics? again, they're not acting as journalists. they're acting as conciglieres to the president. the notion of a conservative echo chamber and the notion of a supposed liberal media, this is a different thing, that ideological symmetry between fox news and the president. this is a kind of co-conspiratorial relationship and it's at the bedrock of so much that's wrong with the way that information w...

Think -- i don't think they're going to screw it up. but they need to make an argument in 2020 that they are going to be good stewards of the economy the way that obama was, the way that bill clinton was because if you take the economy argument away from trump, he collapses. >> jennifer, is there -- is it worth challenging trump in new hampshire? mark sanford says he came away thinking there's a path to 30, 35%. that's if you can get a path to 30, 35, that's worth doing. but it doesn't sound like the republican electorate's really that open to this. and if you have the conservative echo chambe...

Things as you're saying in short of the shallowness of some of -- i won't blame the media, my hour sort of, of coverage, people look at democrats go with ohio. >> it's not great what happened to the democratic party identity in ohio over the past six years. you lost the manufacturing base, the state has gotten older and whiter and more angry and more attuned to the sort of conservative echo chamber. i have relatives in ohio. it's changed. a lot of people are saying ohio lost us for a long time. that's why you start looking at democratic donors and activists looking at the sun belt states, wher...

Who have strong opinions about john bolton, whatever you think of him, one thing i thought he was is, he's pretty sure of his own views. what is he doing? >> well, he may think i can stay inside and still work to change them. the real question was what was trump thinking. bolton hasn't changed. and trump hasn't changed. he just disagrees with bolton on almost everything. >> i've got a different montage to play for you. it is a montage of media criticism from the conservative echo chamber when a president of the united states appeared with the president of cuba. >> while the world burns, presid...