Debates, you'll find $8 billion to cover the increased cost by liberal estimates, i mean by progressive groups, it may be 1% of what is needed. by conservative estimates, less than 50% of what will be needed to cover people who are as a result of this bill going to be without insurance. >> the philosophical thing, not a thing, the debate itself. whether the government has a responsibility for people's health care or whether it is every man and woman for itself. >> the fact the republicans came back with basically tax credits which are basically, they're refundable in some cases where a family ...