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There's a big mural soft john brown and the border war with missouri, which pre-figured the civil war. that's what kansas was. it was not the kind of place that would ever, you know, give any sort of credence to a doctrine like this. >> and we think of kansas, in modern times, dwight eisenhower, nancy kassenbaum, very moderate republican -- >> they couldn't get elected to anything there now. not even bob dole. >> so what happened? >> what's the matter with this place? >> come on now, that's a long story. you're seeing a microcosm of it right here. it's the culture wars. we can talk about this ...

I guess i'm almost under assault. there are constitutional majorities in both the senate and the house for an extreme, well, conservative ultraright-wing agenda. it's almost like democrats and moderate republicans are persona non grata. we don't really have a say so. we know the veto -- the concerns that we have, especially when we look at some of the issues, and i think the conservatives kind of picked an issue on nullification on the gun rights, where they could get a little traction, because it is a purely state activity. it's the made in kansas, stamped in kansas, guns that wouldn't cross,...