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Actually had a heavily government-involved system to begin with, since at least 1965, possibly before, arguably before. the affordable care act is an incremental advance of that but not the government takeover, you know, if you can't look at it in isolation, you have to look at this whole, you know -- >> what do people say to you when you say that? do you get traction as being a polite explainer? >> they are persuaded, but, you know, i'm doing so in relatively small audiences, not to hundreds of millions of people. right? i think when you show the data, the data is very clear. if you look, for...