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187 minutes when trump was resisting calls to intervene, when people were lobbying mark meadows and he doesn't do so, how are we going to get to what trump was saying, thinking, feeling during those 187 minutes and why he took so long to make that response? >> i think there's probably -- i know there's at least two ways the committee is trying to penetrate that moment. the first is sort of an obvious one. it's getting people like meadows to talk using all of the power that they have and pressure. in this case making a referral to the justice department, you know, the contempt issue, to force t...

A member of congress, white house chief of staff, discussing a plan to disenfranchise millions of voters. president biden weighed in on meadows and the contempt issue a short time ago. let's take a listen to what he said. >> i don't know enough -- just what i've seen, i've not spoken to gone. it seems he's worthy of being held in contempt. >> biden had previously weighs in on steve bannon's contempt case suggesting he should be prosecuted. and there was some criticism of that for the president to weigh in on a pending justice department case. the justice department is, of course, supposed to a...

Team pence and that's so important because of the role that the vice president played on january 6th in the events leading up to it. >> the threat he faced during that time on january 6th. >> yeah, absolutely. so we know too that former trump associate steve bannon in the other camp, not in the cooperation camp, but set to take part in a conference, that could set a trial date for his contempt of congress charge. what are we expecting to hear from him out of all that? >> yeah. steve bannon is very much in the digging his heels in and not cooperating camp, why he's facing this contempt issue. a...

Testimony from two former fbi officials about the counterintelligence implications of robert mueller's investigation. oh, yes. there is more. the senate intel committee heard testimony today from none other than a guy named donald trump, donald trump jr. that is. this is the third time the president's son has answered committee members' questions behind closed doors. on days like this there is no one i'd rather have to help me sort through it all than my pal and colleague here kelly o'donnell who has covered capitol hall and the white house for years. all right. in order of significance here, ...

Wants, it's a separate body of government, they don't answer to the president, they can choose to what they think is relevant. and that could be his finances that go beyond the russia investigation. >> a lot of people believe that those tax returns have been in a locked drawer in mueller's desk for the better part of two years. we have restrictions on who can go rooting around in who's tax returns. could this fight that this subcommittee is about to wage -- could we talk about months or years of fighting over this? >> certainly could be. any time you may end unin court to have a fight about wh...