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that they don't want to default. they want to avoid that, but they don't agree on how to do it. mccarthy wants to hold it at hostage in return for massive cuts on discretionary programs meaning basically everything but social security and medicare which along with defense, make up the clear bulk of the budget while president biden has been adamant that no cuts are on the table. none. so what are these guys going to talk about? and how will mitch mcconnell, chuck schumer and hakeem jefferies factor in? they will also be at that may 9th meeting. does it end an agreement to disagree unt...

Ceiling bill. several of the people who voted in the republican congress said they had negotiated as far as they'll go and the bill that's voted on after next week between the white house and national leaders is going to look different and mccarthy can do it again and get their vote. ? so if you don't have enough republicans for whatever mccasualty proposes and mccarthy is being leveraged by then, what can the rest of the house do? it's a very narrow margins the republicans control house by. they're talking about -- they may be using their tight margins to their advantage, katy, because in the...

Republicans are trying to do. how long is the government open now? >> the next deadline is mid to late february. this is actually a strategic thing here. they're still funding the government at trump administration levels every time they do one of these crs, they kicked the can further down the road and hope it gets in the control house and you get a budget that looks a lot like what they want. what we saw yesterday was a small group of mostly senate republicans who had the power but cheered on by that house freedom caucus who wanted to push for a vote to defund president biden's vaccines and ...

This definitely got his attention. the press conference of that mi mini availability he held earlier. he was here and angry about this. talk to me about the mood. what happens? >> i think he sees it himself. the idea that while they are claiming and they put the stress on claiming that impeachment is helping them with the polls, they think personally is the same on the presidency and on this president. you saw the president here, a republican control house have this idea that impeachment will be devalued and people too quickly to resort to impeachment. i don't know if the white house figured o...

Foreign actors that may have anything you want? the lindsey graham that we see today does not recognize the lindsey graham of two or three years ago, period. >> when you start understanding what he's saying, this is not how we do it. this is how we have done impeachment. the way it carries out impeachment rules now was not by democratic control house. it was set by john boehner and approved by republican control house. everything up to this point that's happening in the u.s. congress has been actually designated by the rules of the republicans establishment has created. that's absolute nonsens...