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Leaders went on to win their party's nomination. leading in endorsements is something that's actually quite predictable. maybe not as much in the past few years but usually it is. >> that's fascinating. conventional wisdom says they don't matter anymore. >> they do. here's another thing. endorsements leaders at this point who led in the national polls, a lot of green check marks here. biden is leading in the national polls as well. those folks have gone on to win the nomination seven out of nine times. biden, if you look at the endorsements, national polls, and combine them, you'd have to say ...

Played down by a washington conventional wisdom that looks as bernie as the cranky old grandpa when in reality, he is someone who is has a lot more support across the country. >> mike: we put something across the finish line. it also gives president trump something to run on. >> both sides win. those who want to be critical of president trump say it's not that different. but essentially, the business community had a lot invested in the canada-mexico relationship. president trump can deliver for the business community. nancy can deliver for the labor community. >> it also makes it a little bit ...

In america. wealth tax in america. >> the economy is on fire. she will treat it like a 4 alarm fire and bring the trucks and hose it down. i don't think we want to hose the economy down. mike:your thoughts? >> biden has continued to skate above the fray by having well-built of support he had in a lot of communities particularly among african-american voters. the real thing democrats need to deal with is the possibility that doesn't come up all that often that they should wrestle with seriously, bernie sanders could go further in this race than they would like to think. he does excite a lot of ...

Played down by a washington conventional wisdom that looks as bernie as the cranky old grandpa when in reality, he is someone who is has a lot more support across the country. >> mike: we put something across the finish line. it also gives president trump something to run on. >> both sides win. those who want to be critical of president trump say it's not that different. but essentially, the business community had a lot invested in the canada-mexico relationship. president trump can deliver for the business community. nancy can deliver for the labor community. >> it also makes it a little bit ...

If you pass the aisle, you're politically dead. one of the things we have to look at is are there facts to support that? now, i've never run for office or faced voters. it's easy for me to say. but when you look back at the people who decided to defy their party's basic conventional wisdom, you find their political futures were not automatically pushed to the side. >> one of the things that i wonder, tim, about all this, is you have this extraordinary -- trump's own officials saying look, we were pressing the ukrainian government and trying to get this quid pro quo. it seems to me pretty compe...