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Of first ladies, something you've written about as well. we just heard the current first lady saying, one of the most bullied people in the world. i guess the conversation changes with the era and with the personalities, doris. >> well, again, what you would hope is that the first lady has a worthy project in "be best" she had been talking about using social media to understand not let other people be bullied. but to bring it back about herself and talk about herself being bullied, that's the problem with both the president and the first lady. you have to have ambition about something larger t...

And yes, according to the intelligence community, are doing so again. it's context matter. >> it's members of his own party. >> he has been fighting them since he got elected. some people in his own party -- look, donald trump is his own party. is he an independent thinker. he ran against 16 other republicans and from the beginning he bashed them, too. agent of change. he's not going to go up there and play nicety with republicans to just get along. >> do you not care that vladimir putin is attacking the u.s.? >> i do. the president hasn't justify not played nice. i think it's a little unfair ...

Gun control -- a lot of the coverage i see is predicated on the idea that gun control is the solution. if you accept that premise the conversation changes dramatically. howie: the president is making' suggestions some backed by the gun control right and some by the gun control left. and the focus by the media is the one teacher proposal. it seems there should be more balanced coverage, because he's suggesting many things we didn't think we would hear from a republican president. >> where we are seeing areas of agreement, potential agreement, things like strengthening background checks, or uppi...

Usually think of as kind of a partisan divide -- >> i hope so. i hope so. >> me too. >> that's our biggest hope and dream is that the pope's presence in the nation when he talks to congress, when he talks about climate change we kind of break a frame about what it means to be christian, what it means to be holy. what it means to be whole. and that the conversation changes to dialogue, mercy, forgiveness and love. >> thank you, two, father jim martin and reverend lewis. stay right there. because up next, the latest on the refugee crisis in europe. later joe biden's heart felt message on his pol...

Jennifer michael hecht is a professor at the new school. she just wrote a new article in politico magazine about the last taboo. jennifer, you were on your sofa watching bill maher that night. you saw that exchange and you said what to yourself? >> well, i was glad, but i was disappointed he hadn't done it while he was still in office. i think it makes a big difference if you imagine a room full of 100 white men and one black or latino man or woman walking into the room. the conversation changes. it matters if you stand up for what you believe. >> and the point is barney frank had no problem c...