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Glow. what happens when the man leaves, time passes. things go back to the same. change is hard. one thing it should happen more is within the church structure itself. do you believe that there will be something imparted from the top, from vatican, from francis, to the bishops to motivate more of this inclusiveness and withdraw of structure from negativity of the rules that we heard in the message to the actual experience of catholics in america? >> we know pope francis is a great pastor but he has great political sensibilities. everything that he said in the united states was for the people o...

Ukraine or working with ukraine. making it seem that it's the fault of ukraine, what has been going on there. they didn't get into those details in their description of the meetings today. but it seems like the most promise comes that the dialogue itself is going on if you can call a ten or a 15 minute conversation dialogue. and that there is at least talk at this point about a possible cease fire. >> and michelle, i wonder, because it sort of reminds me going back to september at the g-20 in russia, obama and putin had a pull aside there. they spoke for only 20 minutes. i remember at the time...