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Did they describe kiev as complic complicit. the post reports that their disparaging descriptions did reinforce the president's perceptions of ukraine to the dismay of some of his advisers. quote, over time you just see a wearing down of defenses a former white house official said describing the struggle to contest the influence of giuliani, putin and orban. pause to consider the inl pl implications. the leader of the country was telling this president not to trust ukraine, a country that russia seeks to dominate. joining us is the post john hudson who shares a byline on the story. what exactl...

By leaks of the content of those discussions. >> yeah, john hudson, stick around i want to bring in cnn senior political analyst davidger again and jeffrey toobin. shouldn't putin be the last person on the planet influencing how president trump feels about ukraine given the fact that putin has invaded crimea? >> absolutely, and it's hard to think of a more wholesome trio than giuliani, putin, and orban, you know. it is like what? what are we doing here? listen, a little context. it has been american foreign policy for some time now to support and strengthen ukraine, to come to the aid of those...

Instead, what the president listened to with putin and orban and giuliani and it soured his view on the ukrainians and that instead of trying to go to support the ukrainians, that's when the president then instead went to them for a favor to dig up dirt in the political campaign. so i do think we see this from a foreign policy point of view as a very depressing disappointing and dangerous exercise of diplomacy by a president who simply isn't going to get reined in. that meeting with orban according to john went for an hour with no note taker. >> and you know, the president, you know, has suspi...

Officials to combat and counter act who saw ukraine as a country that they wanted to align with and strength within as it was fending off russian backed separatists in the middle east. >> the efforts by putin and orban were actually anticipated by national security officials. i mean, how did it go from, you know, folks in the trump white house, the national security team, you know, being concerned that putin and orban were going to be, you know, whispering in the president's ear about this to the point where they actually -- that actually happened? >> that's right. there was a very contentious...

Antithetical to some western values, not helpful towards the fight to support ukraine against russia. that's for sure, and they opposed that position. of course, trump was very much open to it as he is open to many world leaders that are not necessarily allies with the united states, and so ultimately trump's desire to meet with this person who has been one of the most prominent backers of trump in europe, a continent that hasn't been necessarily warm to the president. he got that meeting, and in that meeting orban who is a skeptic of ukraine, some of that historical, some of that personal wit...