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26. What did that come to mean . My understanding, ambassador sondlands use of that term was the three people in charge of ukraine policy during the summer where he, gordon sondland, ambassador volker and secretary perry. What did you come to, when did you come to learn about mr. Giulianis role and what do you consider his role to have been . I first heard about former mayor giulianis interest in ukraine in january of this year, that was a different phase than what happened during the summertime. Was it normal to have a person who is a privat citizen take an active role in foreign diplomacy . ...

>> finally mr. mulvaney said again i was involved by the process by which the money was held up temporarily. okay? three issues for that. the corruption of the country, whether or not the countries were participating in the support of ukraine and whether or not they were cooperating in an ongoing investigation with our department of justice. that's completely legitimate. were you aware of any formal department of justice cooperation request played to the ukrainians? >> i am not aware that there was any formal department of justice requests in this matter, no. >> was mr. mulvaney's statement fa...