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Secretary tillerson, but they didn't. he should be the guy being quiet and let, in my view, and let his secretary of state and his secretary of defense be either the good cop/bad cop and him weigh in at the appropriate time. but that's not what's happening. i think by doing that, he's limiting his option and making things a little bit tenser. >> admiral kirby, again, he seems to be setting up a confrontation that somebody has to blink on august 15th. >> yeah, this is brinkmanship. it's playing chicken on a geopolitical scale. look, i still think there's room for diplomacy. if you listened to s...

A very different scenario than what we are looking today. take us inside a white house that is trying to build political consensus. what would you recommend the west wing folks do for that to be the case? >> yeah, well, i think the better analogy is the lead up to the iraq war. we did get congressional authorization at that point in order to get political buy-in authorization by john kerry. i think the fundamental problem right now is that the congress would not be confident that the president has a strategy. right now it looks like he's acting on impulse, not some good cop/bad cop. but more l...

He has never been in before and probably no one has ever been in before unless you have been a president who's been faced with this. this is the big concern. certainly what i'm hearing from folks in washington, quite frankly, around the country. the unpredictabilityleader. that's the big wild card and president trump has to take that into consideration. is he taking that into consideration? >> as we speak right now, the president is meeting with the top diplomat. u.n. national security advisor, secretary of state. fairly soon expect to hear from the president. do you think we'll hear a more di...

Cop/bad cop policy and play. clearly president trump is shooting to and enjoys playing the baddest cap of all. rex tillerson, the secretary of state has emphasized diplomacy and says americans can sleep soundly at night. and then general mattis at the pentagon, he was very tough the other day and he said that north koreans need to realize that if they don't negotiate and they don't pull back from this then the united states has the power. he said the united states has the power to destroy the regime and the people. it was extremely tough. this is definitely deliberate and aimed not just at the...

Solely through cyberattacks. no one was talking about a red button. guess what? we screwed their program up, brought them back from what we think is literally years from the brink, that's fire and fury, yes, using cyber warfare. the president's point was not so much we're going to bomb the living you know what out of you if i don't feel like you're talking to us -- they made threats against the united states of america. they consistently -- >> how do you know he didn't mean military. >> he said the likes of which the world has never seen. >> i think if you look at what the people around him ha...