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Cop-bad cop. i think the president is smart and realizes that his message was not in an offensive way. it's in defense of what was coming out of north korea. it's not like he randomly said i'm going to pick a fight with north korea. >> but john kelly didn't know about the language -- >> i think the president has the ability and the right to clearly state a message and people are looking at two words and trying to make this actually that those words somehow only meant we had a nuclear option which i don't think is accurate. i think fire and fury means the united states of america is not going t...

Out of its people. it's kind of a wave of rhetoric coming from the administration. >> you don't know to what degree it is planned or an indication that they don't all have their act together. taking the most optimistic view, you could say it is good cop/bad cop, you have president trump playing the bad cop or the tough cop and using the phrase fire and fury which got everybody's attention, i don't know that we've ever heard mack a president use words quite that apocalyptic. in much more diplomatic terms, the cheap emissary of diplomacy and the administration and actually saying americans are s...

Uncertain situation right now. >> what about the messages coming out of the administration, phillip, to you, you know, for weeks, we know secretary of state rex tillerson has been building what he's calling a peaceful pressure for the campaign, to garner international support, to bring north korea to the table. obviously, that's not the same message the world received from president trump. so in a sense, you have a good cop/bad cop scenario. then you throw in, as we just discussed off the top, the secretary of defense issuing this statement, echoing a more forceful message. how do you read all...

China convinced that if china doesn't help the u.s. diplomatically to resolve this, meaning open talks for a denuclearized korean nuance, we'll pursue other options. we'll pursue military options if necessary. that strategy requires china to think that trump really means its. the threat to go to war against north korea is always a little bit hard to sustain because it would be clearly disastrous for our ally and south korea, perhaps for our ally in japan. the game is to be credible in making that argument. i think as other panelists have said it's impossible for the people who work for donald ...

Actually deliver in a real capacity. >> but that still doesn't mean that the president should be speaking off the cuff when it comes to north korea. >> his policy is, we're going to be tough. now, can you have good cop/bad cop with the state department? absolutely. i think that's what you've seen today. >> how is that effective. >> i think you have to have more than one avenue to talk to kim jong un because the one avenue of sole diplomacy has gotten us nowhere but a guy who now has nuclear weapons that he can deliver to half the united states of america. it did not work for eight, nine years....