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>> the best time in many years for this kind of challenge to have hope of succeeding. there is a lot of thought that federal criminalization has gone too far and in fact very well regarded senator orrin hatch wrote an impressive brief saying this has gotten out of whack, the kind of system we are supposed to have in this country and ginsburg wrote it is one united states of america, why should it be taking different deals, put somebody through it twice? to put resources, coordinate them the first time, get the states to talk to each other and decide what is best for the trial because one file ...

Indirectly he had a role in the breakdown of the story on the trump tower meeting this weekend because when the fbi puts on witnesses they have to release fbi interview statements. and it seems that there may have been some further information behind the scene regarding some key discussions that took place before the trump tower meeting with don jr. which might have triggered a little bit of a change of heart from the president there are putting don jr. in jeopardy. i think the bottom line is that mr. gates is a significant witness that changes the dialogue and the narrative for many witnesses...

Manafort. >> you think it is inevitable at this point that manafort will cop a plea. >> i don't see any way he can take this case to trial. the enormous expense and the stakes for him. if he testifies and lies to the judge and is convicted, he could be spending the rest of his life on prison. and if he testifies, he won't. >> these crimes that we are talking about gran well before the campaign although, the scheming and the money laundering and other things that were going on here, during the campaign, and of course paul manafort was a central figure in the campaign and he was at the trump tow...

Near the end is quite mistaken. >> clearly, phil, you used to work at the fbi, squeezing manafort, robert mueller big-time. manafort, jeffrey toobin pointed out, is 74 years old. if he's convicted on all of these charges, he could end up spending the rest of his life in jail. he wants manafort to cop a plea, to cooperate, because there are others he's going after as well. >> no, that's right. and i agree with the comments earlier. i don't think we're close to the end of the investigation. we may be months away from concluding the investigation itself, but the number of people who might be impl...

Manafort was under investigation before mueller was even appointed. that was in part why he was forced to step down as campaign chairman because thanks to the reporting of evan and others, it became known he was under criminal investigation, but, you know, it is obviously clear that the plea talks with rick gates have fallen through for the time being being, but given the magnitude of the charges, i think it's not at all clear these cases will -- >> just rick gates or paul manafort as well? at some point, they can say, you know what, cop a plea, plead guilty, reduce the sentence, and fully coo...