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He's credible, he's relatable. >> what to you make about what he said about turning over evidence? documents, what he says he got when he asked for proof that there was election fraud that was coming from giuliani, boris epstein, and he says he got random term papers, some testimony from hearings. what are they going to use that for? >> that backs up bowers testimony, at one point when he asked for proof he was told we don't have any proof but we have theories. and where yrusty bowers can says what they gave me, and it's nothing. that is what we call corrob corroboration. there's document he i...

He wants to avoid any kind of conviction in this case, or anything like that, but he has proven time and time again that he does not listen to the advice of those giving him good advice. for example, you look at the election, those around him, his campaign, close advisers were advising him that he had lost. he started turning those people, out and started listening to the people feeding him what he wanted to hear, which are conspiracy theories that he actually had won the election. >> a core point here, kaitlan, national security law is not an area where you can trust your gut, or have your bu...

Night where so manyraising people are raising questions about the veracity and the trustworthiness of all of our key institutions of government. but why would they want to verify it? well, you know, the information that we're not alone has always been assumed to beweare no a destabilizing kind of thing. laura so on one level, they cane simply say, we're just not ready to deal with this. let'dy ts continue with theinue political stuff, the back and forth. on youthepolitir show tonight, , this is a pretty interesting night to be talking about this becausnighto e the politics oftics the nation ar...

Their gear, that means they had some type of intelligence that where this guy was, they mobilized and got him, what can you tell us? >> yeah, that's probably true. they had some way of tracking his phone or other known contacts that he has so they can mobilize to capture him. obviously they know what he had done or alleged to have done which is extremely dangerous. what again i think core point which we probably are going to get to, this is something that was entirely preventible. >> lawrence: who is going to have custody of this case, do the feds have this or the state of texas want to try hi...

Way. and what we get out of north carolina? a 7 to 7 split in the congressional delegation. that's something that they did not like and said, all, right we'll take that to the supreme court on this ridiculous, bogus, fringe theory. and the independent state doctrine. and for any member of the court to put his or her name behind a decision, even if it's a dissenting opinion, to say that there is some validity to this theory. i think really calls into question you know, where that justice is coming from. >> yeah, well to that end, even if it's a narrow ruling, justice kagan today expressed conce...