But shimon, the fact that we now know these four areas that mueller's team is interested in talking to the president about, what could that indicate? >> well, it could indicate -- look, we know the four topics that we reported are on the obvious topics, right? michael flynn, jim comey, the firing of jim comey, the crafting of the statement. all of this, ana, we've reported on. there are other topics. and when we approached the white house about these other topics, they basically waved us off of it, right? so there are ore topics. and we know that the mueller team met face to face with the pres...