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Conceded, look, we don't have the legal authority to do this. that pence doesn't have the legal authority to fail to accept the electors, but you should do it anyway. that suggests corrupt state of mind. that suggests criminal intent, if that could be proven. the fact that the justice department is looking at that is just a clear indication that they are seeking to determine if crimes took place in the oval office by john eastman, potentially by donald trump as well. >> potentially by donald trump? >> absolutely. >> so that's really the question, if you have eastman admitting that something is...

Specifically and afterwards we kind of laughed about it. >> they laughed about it because they didn't think that someone would testify under oath before the country and the congress, but they knew at the time that there was no fraud and that all of the things they were doing were meritless. how does that play into sort of proving a corrupt intent, maya? >> exactly that. that it was corrupt, and it was intentional because, look, if you have some evidence, some reason to believe that what you're saying is true, that maybe something did go awry or that the election was not legitimate in some form...

Know what questions were put before this witness in front of the grand jury, but you've got the corrupt intent. they knew there was no fraud, and you've got knowledge that the plot was both illegal and unconstitutional and that this very conservative supreme court would vote 9-0 against the eastman coup blueprint. yeah, and if you look at those two subpoenas, which my colleagues, devlin barrett and yvette sanchez posted online on "the washington post" website, the subpoenas that went to these republican state lawmakers, they're very interesting and they provide further guidance and suggest the...

Differently? i don't say that, what have you. will that make a difference? is that a big deal? >> definitely. >> you legal minds? why so? >> because it is not just the words that he speaks, the words that he doesn't speak here. you are getting you into his mind, through his reactions. they're his special about -- his gestures. the toughest thing to prove, both of these faced this impeachment, his corrupt intent. here, these outtakes and the rest of the, evidence really for the past three hearings, have focused on trump's state of mind. they built up all of the actions they need for federal sta...

Focusing on donald trump. his actions, his corrupt intent, key legal standards that show that he knew what he was doing, that he knew that he had lost the election, that he knew the mob was going to have charges to obstruct an official proceeding. the committee has done a great job at focusing on trump himself, and i do think that the department has been slow. they're trying to catch up now. i would argue that there was some statement by benny thompson that they did not want to release these transcripts as immediately, as of the on thursday night the gender six committee should turn over the t...