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Learning that the doj seems to be surprised by some of the revelations coming out of the january 6th committee. does that seem normal to you that they are asking for the transcripts at the same time that the american public is hearing them? and that they are not aware of some of these conversations, where some of these people that are being interviewed by the doj on their own prior, to the january 6th investigation. >> that's very usual, the letter that it was sent asking for the transcripts. there are often dual investigations to the congressional committee, and then the justice department lo...

Counting of electors votes and again, corrupt intent that was shown by trump's actions and what he knew. he knew there was an armed crowd. he urged them to storm the capitol. and he tried to join them. so it is a big moment. >> and obstruction of an official proceeding is the thing that liz cheney is hanging her hat on, that is the thing she says is the most important charge here and it is important to note that under the law, in that particular case, the intent is secondary, to the sbul instruction of the hearing if that actually took place. . david, thank you very much. good to see you as al...

January 6th. i think the more we learn this was rolled around in the white house it increases the questions about just how much detail this was talked about. if they're talking about this over and over again, if this is something that many people were looped in on, how many other people would have been aware of this conversation about weapons potentially being there? how many other people would have agreed with mark meadows that this was a real, real bad prospect and that something bad could happen here according to cassidy hutchinson's testimony? and so i think that's something that we're lik...

Debated -- is one anecdote about donald trump's physicality inside a limousine. but even on that, the united states secret service has confirmed the two most important things in terms of any sort of intent that donald trump had. that's, one, that he was mad, and two, it was because he couldn't go to the u.s. capitol and he desperately wanted to. what's your take on sort of the morning after cassidy hutchinson? >> yeah, i think you're right about the secret service story and how crucial it is to this entire process. does that anecdote tell us much about corrupt intent? does that tell us about w...

Hearing to keep the hearings in the forefront and drive the knife in during a week when republicans are reeling politically and from the aftermath of overturning of roe v. wade. >> barbara, legally speaking, and correct me if i'm wrong because i'm not a lawyer, there are two critical pieces to proving the crime of obstructing, one, that their actions obstructing the proceeding, and two, that the people involved had corrupt intent. do you think hutchison can provide that evidence? what will you be looking for today? >> i do. it seems like that's where she might be able to deliver the most value...