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They are inserted into policy. they are manipulating the ordinary process. they are scaring everybody in the process we've heard from. and it was exactly what you said you would be concerned about. it was always and only i want an announcement about the bidens that you're going to look at them, and that's when you get the aid and the meeting with me. forget about latin. it's an attempted bribe. >> but, chris, let me ask you this too, when you say attempted bride, you and i have gone back and forth on quid pro quo. we know that democrats have done focus groups in challenging districts for their...

Considered impeachable by anybody who understands it. >> so, the follow up on that, jim, is look, i hear what andrew's saying. but no, it just matters. he believes in this. and that is fundamental because that means he does not have corrupt intent. the president did not have intent to abuse his power. he sees ukraine as bad because rudy told him that they're bad, but they were out to get him. they're corrupt. they're dirty. and now he's supposed to give them all this money and be friends with them when they tried to hurt him? no way. they're going to prove they weren't out to get me by getting...

Intimidation as long as there was an attempt and the intent, the corrupt intent to change the testimony. now, the case for the defense is that there was nothing intentionally wrong about this statement. instead, he was commenting on her unfitness, her lack of fitness for her job, which was relevant to her testimony, and there was no, there was no intent to change her testimony, or anything like that. he was just commenting on her being a bad ambassador in his mind. however, the problem with that is that he has no first amendment right to tamper with witnesses. the courts have held that for a l...

Service. she's making the case we finally start to push corruption to the side and up pops rudy giuliani. republicans are saying you serve at the pleasure of the president, a new government is coming in. the democratic chairman said, oh, no. >> the beginning of the story is an effort to get you out of the way. giuliani has made it abundantly clear he was in ukraine on a mission for his client, for the president to investigate the bidens. and you were viewed as an obstacle that had to go. not just by giuliani, but by the president of the united states. there is no camouflaging that corrupt inte...

Are lawyers, but who are the most nimble lawyers in the hearing. >> and democrats do have a lot of lawyers on their side. the thing is that you have to be able to take your brain out and turn it 90 degrees. the facts are not that much in dispute. there are elements that the gop has not accepted because they are from closed door testimonies that haven't been accepted. but the main dispute is what is the intent who who was really driving the intent, was it trump but people who were working for him and were they communicating the president's actual message, and was this nefarious or was it just i...