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Republican allies and part of the reason jim jordan was moved to the house intelligence committee specifically so he could participate in these moments is because he's one of the few republican members of congress who will really go all out to defend the president. >> even he didn't do that yesterday, gene. he went into what -- and i don't blame him. it's easier to mount the don't impeach him defense than it is the this was appropriate defense. >> right. because it wasn't appropriate. >> yes. >> you cannot credibly say, well, he didn't do it. definitely looks like he did it and you can't say t...

We' we're halfway there to showing that corrupt intent. but that's not where donald trump wants his defense to be but that's where it's going to be. >> this is where, matthew, it feel like in the same way democrats i remember felt really good about the benghazi hearings with clinton. but over the long haul, did they do long-term damage to her? this could be a similar situation. >> right. well, of course, we have to remember perceptions of president trump are pretty much fixed. they're set in stone. and what's happened to the impeachment polling, it seems to me is it's also becoming set in ston...

One of the democrats who will question democrats at those hearings and congresswoman jackie speier and a member of the intelligence committee and i appreciate your time as always. chairman schiff when he's listing out says bribery, treason, high crimes and misdemeanors and bribery obviously notable here in its addition. obviously, it is a possible article of impeachment. have you seen any evidence of bribery so far? >> actually, erin, i have been speaking out about the potentiality of it being bribery for some time. the elements of bribery are there. you have a president using his official off...

Definition. the quid pro quo has to be done with a corrupt intent. corrupt intent is an improper purpose. when you start going out taking $400 million that's appropriated by congress to defend the ukraine and then you hold back a visit to the white house that the ukrainians need in order to give them the posture that they want against the russians, not to mention the funds they need to defend themselves against the russians and you demand in return that you investigate your chief political rival, that is classic bribery. >> and this seems to go to the republican defense, which i mention and wh...

Winnow down really to even if this happened, even if there was a demand, a quid pro quo, a withholding of aid in return for an investigation of corruption, and specifically an investigation of someone that is related to a political opponent of mine, even if all of that is true, it's perfectly allowable because as the president, i was rooting out corruption. if it just so happens to also benefit me personally, well, then, that doesn't matter. and that's really what this comes down to. it is going to come down what to what criminal law -- >> from the president specifically in the last couple of ...