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>> i'm curious, the argument from democrats certainly is that this had nothing to do with the national interests of the united states. >> well, i mean the problem -- the only way that that could be true would be if there actually had been some sort of actions on the part of joe biden that were corrupt. it's just been debunked over and over and over again, the position that he took was in fact the position of the world community. so it is kind of crazy making honestly to continually hear about this because it's something that has been so clearly debunked and yet they keep coming back to it. and...

Crime and misdemeanor, does it reach that level. bribery is in the constitution. i was surprised to hear speaker pelosi go there. >> why? >> because bribery is also the subject of lots and lots of technical case law. there are statutes, there is cases, it's a very legalistic term, number one. number two, i don't think bribery has yet been established. i'm keeping an open mind. but bribery requires, among other things, corrupt intent. we have to know for bribery what is in the president's head. and so far for some of the reasons that we've talked about we don't know that. remember, we're talkin...

Giuliani played it abundantly clear he was in ukraine on a mission for his client for the president to investigate the bidens. and you were viewed as an obstacle that had to go. not just by giuliani but by the president of the united states, and if people had any doubt about it, do what the president asks. read the transcript. what they're see in the transcript is the president praises the corrupt. he praises the corrupt, lutsenko. he condemns the just, you. and then he asks for an investigation of the bidens. there is no camouflaging that corrupt intent. we are adjourned. mr. speaker, a condi...

President so desperately wanted. giuliani has made it abundantly clear that he was in ukraine for the president to investigate the bidens and you are viewed as an obstacle that had to go. not just by giuliani, but by the president of the united states. if any one had any doubt about it, they should do with the president asks, read the transcript. what they will see in that transcript is the president praises the corrupt. he praises corrupt, lutsenko. he condemns the just, you. and then he asks for an investigation of the bidens. there is no camouflaging that corrupt intent. we are adjourned. >...

Giuliani's made it abundantly clear he was in ukraine on a mission for his client, for the president, to investigate the bidens. and you were viewed as an obstacle that had to go. not just by giuliani but by the president of the united states. and if people had any doubt about it, they should do what the president asks. read the transcript. and what they'll see in that transcript is the president praises the corrupt. he praises the corrupt. lutzenko. he condemns the just. you. and then he asks for an investigation of the bidens. there is no camouflaging that corrupt intent. we are adjourned. >...