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Not about working with the europeans to try to strengthen the ukrainian government but how can we facilitate rudy giuliani's effort to pressure this government to investigate the president's political opponents. that is a wholesale corruption again not just in the phone call but what the tax aided u.s. government was doing to do trump's bidding. >> barbara, ben just reminded, we haven't heard from rudy giuliani in a few days. one week ago we were talking about how he had butt dialled an nbc reporter, that said donald trump continues to try and have this tried in a court of public opinion. he i...

State department, the pentagon. everybody who'd be sitting around the table in the interagency process was witting of essentially this corruption of our ukraine policy to make it not about working with the europeans to try to strengthen the ukrainian government but how can we facilitate rudy giuliani's effort to pressure this government to investigate the president's political opponents. that is a whole sale corruption again not just in the phone call but what the tax aided u.s. government was doing to do trump's bidding. >> one week ago we were talking about how he had butt dialled an nbc rep...

>> it's the guy who works in the state department, the pentagon. everybody who'd be sitting around the table in the interagency process was witting of essentially this corruption of our ukraine policy to make it not about working with the europeans to try to strengthen the ukrainian government but how can we facilitate rudy giuliani's effort to pressure this government to investigate the president's political opponents. that is a whole sale corruption again not just in the phone call but what the tax aided u.s. government was doing to do trump's bidding. >> one week ago we were talking about h...

Investigation if all you cared about was corruption angle back to susan's point you are hearing trump hammer in on as i didn't view biden as a arrival didn't think he had a shot. and triing to distance himtz from anything about politics and trying to make it all about corruption. >> you're ending -- perfectly transcriptioning bus i want to get to jeremy diamond at the white house. and the exact point melanie is raising there, jeremy. donald trump saying that he -- this isn't base politics. this about corruption. this isn't base joe biden. and making clear he stays he does not -- he is not conc...

Learning from polls the tweets do not work. if anything they backfire. this is not helping him at all but the walls are closing in on him. >> i think they rev up the base quite a bit. people say fight back. for people that are just going to follow trump -- >> yeah. but -- >> does help. >> small ball. >> that's that small and shrinking base. >> they're sticking with him. >> they have to express concern. >> that's key. >> okay. but you're doing that. to what end? >> that we have to go back to the principles. it is okay to support trump on certain policies but when he makes statements like this, ...