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Know if -- i know he was going to go to ukraine, and i think he canceled a trip. but you know, rudy has other clients other than me. i'm one person that -- >> so you didn't direct him to go there on your behalf? you didn't -- >> no. no. but you have to understand, rudy is a great corruption fighter. >> is that what it's about, david? is that why rudy giuliani's working with the president? he's a corruption fighter? i mean, what's in it for rudy? what's in it for trump? >> i don't think rudy is in this because he is really offended by corruption in ukraine, nor is donald trump. i felt like thes...

To put someday light between himself and giuliani with fox news host bill o'reilly. what was rudy giuliani doing in ukraine on your behalf? >> well, you'd have to ask that to rudy. i know he was going to go to ukraine and i think he canceled a trip, but rudy has other clients other than me. >> you didn't direct him to go there on your behalf? >> no. but you have to understand rudy is a great corruption fighter. >> giuliani is your personal lawyer. so you didn't direct him to go to ukraine or anything? >> rudy's a warrior. rudy went. he possibly saw -- you have to understand. rudy has other peo...

Biden in those to our knowledge. the only thing that changed ostensibly is the former v.p. decided to run for office. >> in previous times the aid was given, there was no connection at all to quote, unquote, corruption. ukraine was a corrupt company but they didn't have a president elected who was a corruption fighter. they had a president who was corrupt. all of a sudden it became important about corruption. they don't care about corruption. the fact is they wrote the book. >> the idea of corrupt intent, the constructive analogy for you guys in terms of what the wrong was seems to be this was...

Country, but they didn't have a president who had been elected who was a corruption fighter. they had a president who was corrupt, and yet that wasn't even questioned. all of a sudden it became important about corruption. they don't care about corruption. the fact is they wrote the book. >> the idea of corrupt intent, the constructive analogy for you guys in terms of what the wrong was, is this was a bribe. you're going to have to make the proof to the american people against counsel now at the judiciary committee level that this was a scam all along to lever ukraine. one of the major defenses...

>> i don't know, i haven't spoken to rudy, i spoke to him yesterday, he is a very good attorney and he has been my attorney. >> you can assumed i talk to them early and often and have a very good relationship with him and all of these comments which are totally insulting -- i've seen things written like he's going to throw me under the bus. when they say that, i say he isn't but i have insurance. >> bret: he's told people since then that that was a joke, byron, last word. >> we've all been trying to figure out what that insurance is. i don't think there's any doubt the president is changing hi...