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But the president did weigh in on rudy giuliani overnight in an interview with bill o' riley and he distanced himself from giuliani's actions in ukraine. >> no, i didn't direct him, but is a warrior, rudy is a warrior. >> what was rudy giuliani doing in ukraine on your behalf? >> well, you have to ask that to rudy. but rudy -- i don't even know. i know he was going to go to ukraine and i think he canceled the trip. but rudy has other clients other than me. i'm one person. >> you didn't direct him to go there on your behalf? >> no, but you have to understand rudy is a great corruption fighter. ...

>> well, you have to ask that to rudy, but rudy, i don't -- i don't even know, i know he was going to go to ukraine, and i think he cancelled the trip. rudy has other clients than me. >> you didn't direct him to go there on your behalf? >> no, no, but you have to understand rudy is a great corruption fighter. he felt personally insulted by what happened during my campaign because there were a lot of bad things happening. >> guiliani is your personal lawyer. >> yeah. >> so you didn't direct him to go to ukraine or do anything? >> no, i didn't direct him. but she a warrior, rudy is a warrior. ru...

>> what was rudy giuliani doing in ukraine on your behalf? >> well, you have to ask that to rudy. but rudy, i don't even know -- i know he was going to go to ukraine, and i think he canceled the trip, but, you know, rudy has other clients other than me. >> so you didn't direct him to go there on your behalf? >> no. but you have to understand rudy is a great corruption fighter. >> giuliani's your personal lawyer. so you didn't direct him to go to ukraine to do anything? >> no, i didn't direct him. but he is a warrior. rudy's a warrior. rudy went, he possibly saw something, but you have to under...

25th phone call with the president of ukraine. at the same time, two sources telling the "new york times" this morning that the president was aware of the whistle-blower complaint when he released the aid. also notable, the president is now putting some distance between himself and his personal attorney rudy giuliani. here's president trump talking to bill o'reilly. >> what was rudy giuliani doing in ukraine on your behalf? >> well, you have to ask that to rudy. rudy, i don't even know -- i know he was going to go to ukraine, and i think he canceled a trip, but you know, rudy has other clients...

Take a listen. >> what was rudy giuliani doing in ukraine on your behalf? >> well, you'd have to ask that to rudy. rudy -- i don't even know if -- i know he was going to go to ukraine, but i know he cancelled the trip. but rudy has other clients other than me. >> so you didn't direct him to go there on your behalf? >> no, but you have to understand rudy is a great corruption fighter. >> i mean, there's so much that's fascinating about this, betsy, but the first thing that sticks out to me is, you're going to have to ask rudy is literally what r he said about michael cohen back in 2016. h when ...