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Recognizes they have corruption problems and we expected the president to step up and point to a commitment to ending corruption and graft in his administration or across the whole of the ukraine. that doesn't rise to the level that they're trying to make it. an impeachable offense. nor did the original transcript or the whistleblower complaint. this is a series of additional shiny objects to try to justify what i think is an insufficient basis for moving forward with impeachment. >> neil: not everyone is on the same page with this, senator, the dribs and drabs of testimony we've gotten from o...

Sarcasm and they won't show the fun because they're the most dishonorable people, almost, on earth. it's a disgrace. here is the good news. the people get it. they have a brand new president in ukraine. good guy, by the way. i call a brand new person. i man -- i have no idea who he is and i'm on a phone, right? and i know many people are on the phone because when you call the leaders of a country, many people listen. they want me to say to this brand new president who just got there, called to congratulate him, please, could you help me? please. i don't know who he is. i didn't know his name u...

Done and what they admitted today was, you only get the money if you help us win the election. not because you help us national security, international relations, the only thing we want from you is help to defeat democrats. that is wrong. that's why this matters. >> right, and what mulvaney is claiming is that our interest in -- our interest in finding out about the server and that ukraine and, you know, where it was really behind the hacks of the dnc, not russia, mulvaney is claiming, jeff, that's all about corruption in ukraine, when it's not at all. it's about a benefit for the president. >...

It's about a benefit for the president. >> right. >> well, that's right. out of all the things you could talk about, and ukraine certainly has corruption problems, the only thing they're talking about is this weird obsession with this fake story about the 2016 election. now i do think in fairness, i should say, that mulvaney lied about the biden side of things. >> of course he did. >> i think he clearly lied about that. >> yes. >> because we have that from the president's own mouth in the partial transcript, that what they really wanted was dirt to use not about 2016. what they really wanted w...

Credibility of these allegations, and certainly we would love to hear from the president. giuliani sort of underscores this by saying it is true. so we have information here that needs to be followed. i was listening to your debate in regards to the issues going back to 2015. ukraine at that time had serious corruption problems. there's no question about that. the prosecutor had serious corruption problems. so the credibility at that time is very much in question. but i agree, transparency is important. neil: do you worry, though, that we we are not getting that side? you're right there might ...