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Never was able to achieve? >> absolutely. i mean, kim jong un was able to achieve somethin his father and grandfather had sought but he couldn't achieve. he got to sit down with the most powerful man in the world, the american president, gave him prestige, will the legitimacy. and as max just pointed out, in return it's not like we didn't give anything. we then talked about stopping exercises. and again, as max said, in using north korea's own rhetoric, calling it provocative, calling it war games instead of saying these are defensive in nature and these are training that we're doing because o...

>> anything you've done that you would be embarrassed by or you would get in trouble for is something that would make you vulnerable to blackmail manipulation. >> we talk about them so they are in the past and we're in the process of unpacking it. there is no evidence jared kushner's actions that prevented him from getting a clearance and you have to keep in mind, we only know that he couldn't get a clearance. nbc news broke the story but we only got access to this information about the people with clearances because of the rob porter scandal. so because of the audacity of the white house to l...

Target for blackmail. >> you are a target if you've done anything that you would take great measures to assure didn't become public or wasn't made known to your home government or law enforcement. >> that's right. >> anything you've done that you would be embarrassed by or you would get in trouble for is something that would make you vulnerable to blackmail manipulation. >> we talk about them so they are in the past and we're in the process of unpacking it. there is no evidence jared kushner's actions that prevented him from getting a clearance and you have to keep in mind, we only know that h...

Something that the other two presidents couldn't achieve. but then he can still push for the border security side of this. if he gives daca without border security, then he's in trouble. >> so i didn't mean to throw water on your fire there, simone. i know you're upset. you say that's why democrats need to -- >> she should be upset. >> yeah, i mean -- >> matt tweeted, democrats have managed to accede to republican demands, demoralize their energized base, give a disengaged president a win, and look like they had a meaningless three-day government shutdown all at once. go, simone. >> a governme...

Rational to the point of zen phobia. which is how he got who are. they were working towards something. the stephen miller's of the world got a hold of trump. and the base will be upset with me. we'll get something. you'll get daca. but after that, i'm not so as confident. >> don't you think the base would be upset? the base doesn't like daca. they don't want dreamers to be legal. >> overwhelming majority of the american people see this needs to get done. and trump can look like a hero. where he does something the other two presidents couldn't achieve. he can push for the border security side. ...