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Where russia and the united states could work together. i won't walk through the history of how that didn't happen. cnn actually did a very good outline of how putin came to be and why russia came to think it was a zero sum game, once again what was good for them -- sorry, what was good for us couldn't be good for them. if we can get back to that place, that's great. but that's not where we are right now. putin has no interest in that. he simply wishes to manipulate us to further his agenda and his agenda is to destabilize western democracies and to destabilize our interests. and i worry great...

Speak out because there is a sense that you guys are evil. >> you know, i think part of that is the general perception that business people -- to be honest with you,ky relate to that because when i started many years ago, i wasn't interested in a business career. i stumbled into a business career and i thought business was evil. >> john: how did you get in. >> i dropped out of seminary. didn't know what to do with my life. there was a story about a -- got a job as a clerk in the store. 36 years later grew from 4 million to a $50 billion company. >> john: to best by. >> it was a pure fluke. >> ...

That is the general perception that business people -- to be honest with you,ky relate to that because when i started many years ago, i wasn't interested in a business career. i stumbled into a business career and i thought business was evil. >> john: how did you get in. >> i dropped out of seminary. didn't know what to do with my life. there was a story about a -- got a job as a clerk in the store. 36 years later grew from 4 million to a $50 billion company. >> john: to best by. >> it was a pure fluke. >> business just takes on people. >> and based on greed and selfishness and couldn't be goo...

Speak out because there is a sense that you guys are evil. >> you know, i think part of that is the general perception that business people -- to be honest with you,ky relate to that because when i started many years ago, i wasn't interested in a business career. i stumbled into a business career and i thought business was evil. >> john: how did you get in. >> i dropped out of seminary. didn't know what to do with my life. there was a story about a -- got a job as a clerk in the store. 36 years later grew from 4 million to a $50 billion company. >> john: to best by. >> it was a pure fluke. >> ...

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