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Who can forget donald trump's homeland security secretary in her confirmation hearing lying under oath about norway? >> norway is a predominantly white country, isn't it? >> i actually do not know that, sir, but i imagine that is the case. >> her white immigrant ancestors are from skand knave yeah, and she actually pretended to know nothing, which is a level of incompetence that is hard to believe even from a trump secretary of homeland security. tonight omarosa stands accused of incompetence, not just by those who knew she didn't have the competence to work in the white house but by the presi...

Little tolerance here as juries have in courtrooms and jurors get it in courtrooms. >> in a legal proceeding, can you pull out -- i know you can pull out former sworn statements like depositions, sworn statements. but can you pull out a news article and say in here the president said, i never said that? >> well, a public statement outside of a courtroom, it depends. if it's of the defendant or the person being charged, then, yes because it wouldn't be hearsay. so, yes, if he made a prior statement, you know, that was inconsistent with something now, they could say -- in the right context they ...

What exactly did president trump say? >> there was no conversation about michael flynn. >> so you're saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. >> joining our discussion now, senior editor for the atlantic and a former federal prosecutor and former assistant u.s. district attorney. let's start first with what rudy giuliani said. there was no discussion of michael flynn. that may be the only workable defense strategy, rather than get into, i didn't say that. just, oh, no, we never discussed it. >> it...

Happen in the trump administration. she was by her own account now essentially the token, the black person you had to have in the room to prove he was not a racist. no one cared what she thought about the policies. no one inside the white house did, if she thought anything at all about the policies. thinking up the trump policies and then executing the trump policies fell to other incompetence in the trump white house, steve bannon, steve miller and the incompetent trump cabinet. who can forget donald trump's homeland security secretary in her confirmation hearing lying under oath about norway...

President said, i never said that? >> well, a public statement outside of a courtroom, it depends. if it's of the defendant or the person being charged, then, yes because it wouldn't be hearsay. so, yes, if he made a prior statement, you know, that was inconsistent with something now, they could say -- in the right context they could use it as an admission, yes. but even more so when people make inconsistent arguments within a courtroom so at a trial and a defense attorney gets up and says, well, it didn't happen. but if it did, he didn't have the intent. juries hate that. and juries don't buy...