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Most politicians would have had the meeting. trump used to say every politician would have had a meeting with a foreign power to get dirt on the opponent. and now the president seems to be concerned with nothing other than what did the president know after the meeting occurred. >> earnest hemmingway has a faye house line when you go broke, at first it is very slow and then it is very fast. the same is true for the e her against of truth. i think a lot of people who watch your program have a feeling -- they're on top of it, but the story never seems to move. but when a series of major president...

That david referenced. that is the challenger finding something that is there. pat buchanan, very much like donald trump in his rise within the party found something that was there and he struck that nerve and he used it as a weapon against the incumbent, george bush. the same is true in 1980 with jimmy carter and senator kennedy. kennedy found something inside the democratic party that was there and couldn't exploit it. that is the achilles heel for the challenger, the ability to exploit it to the ability where you get the voters within the base to turn their head away from the incumbent and ...

Policy person who spends a lot of time thinking through these issues. tell me your thoughts for starters on 9/11, on this anniversary. >> well, first, i think you start with the human side as it as you were just discussing. almost 3,000 people's lives lost, countless numbers of families affected and the wounds remain open and you have to start with your thoughts with them but as you look out beyond it, you see an event which has changed the decade and a half that's followed. not only did it change the u.s., send the u.s. into two wars, in the region, changed the region, destabilize it, but, yo...

Other kinds of implications this has had. isis risen up. focusing on al qaeda back then, isis is much bigger, more terrorists in the world, more attacks in the past world, more victims in the past year. and that's because of the instability. you might also say the iran deal had something to do with it. our relations with saudi arabia, our relations with that part of the arab world were changed when most of the attackers came from saudi arabia. >> right. >> and although we don't articulate it, you sense a shift that's taken place over the past 14 years away from the saudis because there's a per...

His thought process. as well as anything you want to tell us about what these numbers mean. >> well, so much candor of joe biden yesterday in this interview with stephen colbert and he's been pretty consistent with the things he's said, honest about the struggle with the grief and i think it's something that anyone that watches him sees how much pain he is still in. this is the third time. remember last month on a call with democratic national committee members and said he wasn't sure his heart and soul pretty banged up. for people watching biden, can a man saying i'm not sure i can emotionall...