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Over will americans say there is one side pushing border security and one side wasn't. we hear democrats say i'm for border security but not for a wall but have not put forward a plan to say if it wasn't a wall what would they support? >> you are aware of the president's lawyers comments on cnn after months, years of denying not just collusion with the president but denying any collusion between members of the trump campaign and russia. rudy giuliani couldn't utter those words again. seemed to move the goal post. why? >> i have no explanation for giuliani's comments last night. i think that th...

Like that and i thought, well, of course they're not going to cut. ever course they're not going to cut and look at the medicare reimbursement cuts that they planned and that started back in 1997 and they've never gone into effect ap they keep kicking the can down the road because they don't want to make the cuts and have some people feel some pain. >> neil: you know, the devil's always in the details in this, but i find it a little rich, many democrats are doing the very same thing, they quite properly charged republicans of doing when they were in droll. robbing peter to pay paul or forward ...

And colleagues are saying we don't like how you pay for it. to offset the 26 billion-- >> they have a point and the same group of people says we'll house you, we'll gulf you a few bucks, but you figure out how to get food on your own, maybe it will give them some lessons how to hunt and fish. here is the real deal, this'll take this supposedly down the road. >> 2014. >> in 2014. that will never, never happen period. i mean, just the philosophy that prevails rights now. i mean, food stamps? we've got 40 million americans on food stamps, could be 50 million by 2014 and could possibly lose that m...