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Over will americans say there is one side pushing border security and one side wasn't. we hear democrats say i'm for border security but not for a wall but have not put forward a plan to say if it wasn't a wall what would they support? >> you are aware of the president's lawyers comments on cnn after months, years of denying not just collusion with the president but denying any collusion between members of the trump campaign and russia. rudy giuliani couldn't utter those words again. seemed to move the goal post. why? >> i have no explanation for giuliani's comments last night. i think that th...

Hiding? and then you look at more evidence like the evident of manafort leaking polling data to the russians who we know were %-pn about hillary clinton. >> you would have to believe that the president did not know about a meeting in trump tower and did not know about national security adviser meeting and the personal loyer and fixer having this other back and forth here. joining us now is democratic senator dick durbin of illinois. thanks for taking the time this morning. i would like your reaction to rudy giuliani's comments yesterday. he could have said very simply, no one on this campaig...