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Useful behind the scenes, quite useful from a counter intelligence perspective. and it's totally plausible that manafort and flynn have that kind of information and just publicly we aren't going to be able to assess how valuable it is. >> manafort has been a big trigger for donald trump. when things have happened in his legal travails, the president has reacted with outbursts. what do you think this news is going to do to him? >> we don't know. we don't know where he's going, we don't know what he has, we don't know what the full strategy is. and that's something to -- a little bit of humility...

Many coffee cups they buy but not the lobbyists they meet with who are pushing the interest of a hostile form power that steals our technology, spies, names their dictator president for life and has an aim of world domination. china is the number one enemy of the united states. it's outrageous we allow them to undermine our democracy by infiltrating the swamp and manipulating our leaders. we will keep exposing them until someone does something about it. when will someone do something about it? i'm looking at you. you're the target of all this rage. >> i confess to consuming a letter carrier go...

Many coffee cups they buy but not the lobbyists they meet with who are pushing the interest of a hostile form power that steals our technology, spies, names their dictator president for life and has an aim of world domination. china is the number one enemy of the united states. it's outrageous we allow them to undermine our democracy by infiltrating the swamp and manipulating our leaders. we will keep exposing them until someone does something about it. when will someone do something about it? i'm looking at you. you're the target of all this rage. >> i confess to consuming a letter carrier go...

Mccain or his firm did, ronald reagan. he worked for me for 49 days, a very short period of time. >> he was the chairman of the trump campaign. i also didn't know there was a 12-year statute of limitations on crimes like this. so, what do you think -- when you look at what's happening with paul manafort what do you see? >> what i see is the intersection between a counterintelligence investigation and a criminal investigation. when you're looking at it from a counterintelligence perspective, collusion is was this person working with the knowledge of foreign intelligence? were they helping them ...

Application, the further we got away from this steele dossier, and more information emerged that, hey, keep this surveillance going. >> we don't know what the take was. we don't know what the collection was. but if they continued to see the need to collect it, they must have seen something. but the bottom line is, i just have to say here, look, from a counterintelligence perspective, carter page is -- he should have been under surveillance. this is a guy who was already known to be dealing with russian intelligence officers, who had been charged for their activities in the united states. this ...