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That is intent. that is willfulness. if he engages in collusion going into 2020, the president is a criminal. that's what he said in that statement yesterday. >> why didn't robert mueller push for the interview if he could have yielded something as fruitful as what we saw from the president? >> well, we're right back to the constraints that mueller felt handcuffed and barr kind of stabbed him in the back. mueller said i can't push hard. what's the point. i can't indict the sitting president. this will end up in courts. we'll be here for years. i can't indict the guy and barr said probably said...

To look the other way and tell their analysts don't report this. where is the help coming in the form of russians perhaps, who are -- are they co-signing? are they pressuring deutsche bank to assist and give loans they wouldn't otherwise give to trump? and what does trump know about this? understand this from a counterintelligence perspective. foreign intelligence services plant people inside major global financial institutions. if they can't get somebody in, they'll hack in and observe what's going on. it's possible the russians have knowledge of trump's difficulty at some point in getting lo...

Unauthorized way. it doesn't surprise me in that respect. the use of what's app is really hitting a triple but not for the home u.s. team. every white house staffer that enters the white house is briefed on the presidential edures and counter intelligence risks. by using what's app, jared kushner is knowingly violating the presidential records act. he is using a device and not keeping a record of information that has to do with presidential records. i did not throw out a post it when i was in the white house if it had something to do with the president's business because that is the law and th...

For the comey firing. how do you negotiate through this. there were other remarkable points in this. the president calling andrew mccabe on an unsecure phone. i mean, this, to me, you know, from counterintelligence perspective is like alarm bells. how many phone calls has the president made on unsecured lines that could have been intercepted from abroad? as far as the deliberations, i wonder about the 25th amendment discussion has been popping up and down. based on the rules, it doesn't seem like that's a likely way to go to remove the president, but what is it that keeps prompting them to thi...

They are conducting themselves. >> are people lying more than others would? >> there is something called consciousness of guilt. if you find that somebody lide you can find it is for a reason. people don't lie for no reason. these are lies that are sort of all over the map. these are fairly concentrated. they all have to do with russia. they all have to do with election assistance, wiki leaks, the hack, the trump org's business, the efforts to build the moscow project and all have to do with sanctions. i think when you look at that it is telling us the story about coordinated efforts. >> steve...