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About his contacts with russian ambassador, saw srakislyak, and the russian contacts and the kremlin over the trump tower in moscow, and that's information the trump campaign has been lying about for effectively two years now, and for two years the russian government has known the trump administration is lying about something. that, again, is about the worst case scenario for the united states from a counter intelligence perspective, to have the united states be under the thumb potentially to be under the adversary. >> we just learned michael cohen was lying about his russian contacts, but the...

We're now nearing a, quote, worst case scenario. inside robert mueller's fbi and global war on terror, and samantha vinograd, senior adviser on security at the obama administration. garrett, we don't have mueller's report, but you say the country is already approaching the worst case scenario when it comes to russia. why is that? >> from a counterintelligence perspective, the worst case samario is to have a foreign power have leverage over your head of state, for them to have some sort of intelligence operation or even blackmail that can convince a head of state to act against their country's ...

So the four corners of the mueller filing do not lay the groundwork -- yet -- for evidence of crime with regard to russia. what they do is point the way to where mueller is going with this. so, for example, from a counterintelligence perspective, if russians stood to gain hundreds of millions of dollars through their relationship with trump on a project in moscow, and understand that vladimir putin has to personally approve that, then rest assured they would be going out of their way to assist trump in his campaign to assist him. and similarly, if he understands that he stands to gain hundreds...

Groundwork -- yet -- for evidence of crime with regard to russia. what they do is point the way to where mueller is going with this. so, for example, from a counterintelligence perspective, if russians stood to gain hundreds of millions of dollars through their relationship with trump on a project in moscow, and understand that vladimir putin has to personally approve that, then rest assured they would be going out of their way to assist trump in his campaign to assist him. and similarly, if he understands that he stands to gain hundreds of millions of dollars if this works, then he needs to b...

Of different things during the campaign. >> i want to ask gloria about that in a moment, steve, but first this point. if the deal really did end in june of 2016, they were lying about it before but it really ended then, the papadopoulos month, the dnc hack month, all those other things, would putin really be able to hold this over trump's head, president trump's head, steve, in your view? >> sure, absolutely. again, i'll defer to the lawyers on the panel with regard to the legality of it but from a counterintelligence perspective, remember, donald trump is the kind of guy who has a couple of c...