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Option as you see it? is it practical to think that voting rights advocates can fight this out state by state, court by court? >> the history told us that doing it that way is very hard. while litigation and fights in the courts are an important piece of the movement for voting rights and inclusion, they're only one piece. and a larger remedy that would try and block some of these things before they happen as the preclearance provision did would be a lot better and a lot more effective than having to go county by county, town by town, state by state to try and block these things. it's really d...

Of that is a good start. we've got to see them backing up. we've got to see the words are matched with the actual actions. again, i have to remind folks it's exactly that type of approach that the voting rights act was meant to avoid, having to go state by state and watch them and trying to correct the things they're doing. the pre-clearance provision, restoring the voting rights act is absolutely critical in order for us to truly protect our voting rights. >> right, i get your message. garland is saying he'll do what it is for them to do, but we'd rather that not be left to the department of ...

>> i love the idea we're no longer satisfied with love kernels coming down from on high. this becomes a really important political question. i have speculated looking at manchin's election in 2018. he squeeked by with 49% of the vote. i don't think the guy can get re-elected in 2024. on the ground do you think joe manchin is doing this because he thinks it's going to help him get re-elected or do you think he's likely to drop out? what kind of primary challenges is he very likely to face in 2024 if he hasn't left office yet? >> i mean, we will run someone against him. it's an easy decision. we...

But it really is up to congress to legislate, make things like going on in texas can't happen across the country. >> yes, ali. thanks for having me, and you're exactly right. that was actually part of the big purpose of the 1965 voting rights act to begin with, particularly section 5 which was eventually gutted several years ago. but part of the purpose was to avoid exactly what you're seeing, avoiding states would be able to take away our rights or localities would take away our rights and we'd have to fight it state by state, county by county. part of the purpose of the voting rights act was...

Mar-a-lago, he charged the secret service every night for the right to use a room while they protected him. again, you charging the secret service to protect him, and it seems like this could go on indefinitely. he's moved to bedminster and we're trying to figure out if he's making the same charges there. >> i'm assuming that's not a friends and family rate? >> well, mar-a-lago is an expensive place. i don't really know what the rack rate is, but the federal government sets limits on how much federal employees can spend on hotel rooms. it's county by county, so it goes up in rich places. in pa...