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Senator president obama did as senator obama in 2008 after the goddamn america tape came out with reverend wright. i believe that's the way he needs speak in those very real terms people can feel and know he understands that because i think we need a national dialogue on race now more than any other time in our country's history. >> stephen, you wrote an opinion piece on the hill about why president trump is back for black mesh than obama ever was. and you talk about various economic factors that have improved under trump. but when white supremacists and the kkk are openly marching in the stre...

Let me make a couple points, don. i've been watching cnn all day and appeared a couple times on cnn. one of the impressions i think that has been left by the whole discussion all day long and yesterday is that trump is a racist but not only trump, people who are associated with trump are somehow racist. i've been part of the conservative movement about 35 years and front and center in many of the debates and in a lot of meetings over those years and i have never once, not once, been in a meeting with conservatives where people said things that were racist or bigoted and the reason i mention th...

It has taken a long time for republican senators to start to break with president trump and they haven't broken fully with him. if you look over the last three weeks, there are more and more signs of republicans who are starting to stand up to trump. those guys are mathematicians. they say donald trump who loses a couple points, every day they get a couple more points of courage to break with him. >> i had a conversation with a republican, i said does this mean now policy splits -- no. they're still going to work with the president because they still want to get this stuff done. look at what's...

States. i think there's a tradeoff there. >> rick, you're shaking your head no way. >> a couple points. one, i agree with the ambassador richardson. i think there's more we could be doing. six party talks failed. we have to get new actors in, that's true. i'm not a fan of unilateral sanctions. i think they never work except in the case of banking sanctions. we have yet to try banking sanctions on the country of china. again, that is not a solution that i think, in the words of -- >> not to interrupt you, you were shaking your head in response to accepting them having nuclear capabilities. >> t...

But in exchange north korea has to curtail, degrade their nuclear and their missile cape canability, especially if their potential ability which is happening to reach the united states. i think there's a trade off there. >> rick, you're shaking your head no way. >> a couple points. one, i agree with the ambassador richardson. i think there's more we could be doing. we've got to get newicters in, that's true. i'm not a fan of unilateral sanctions. i think they never work except in the case of banking sanctions. we have yet to try banking sanctions on the country of china ---ing. >> not to inter...