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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:37:00

Center stage, meaning the tape was now fair game. the defense played the tape to take the sting out active what erik and i did took courage beyond belief. detective zoller, remember, had never heard the tape befor and he was dumbfounded this was supposedly a candid confession tape but on it, the brothers never once mentione the issue that was now the ver core of their defense. why did you ever murder you parents? oh, because they were sexually molesting us that never came out. why wouldn t he tell his therapist? big deal? the prosecution thought so but, by then, the jury had already heard many hours o tearful testimony about abuse. and that is when, in decembe 1993, they retired to consider a verdict. we made a mistake, right of the bat. hazel thornton was on eri k s jury we took a show of hands a to what level of guilt w thought they were. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:36:00

To take the sting out active. what erik and i did took a courage beyond belief. detective zoller, remember, had never heard the tape before and he was dumbfounded. this was supposedly a candid confession tape but on it, the brothers never once mentioned the issue that was now the very core of their defense. why did you ever murder your parents? oh, because they were sexually molesting us. that never came out. why wouldn t he tell his therapist? big deal? the prosecution thought so. but, by then, the jury had already heard many hours of tearful testimony about abuse. and that is when, in december 1993, they retired to consider a verdict. we made a mistake, right off the bat. hazel thornton was on erik k s jury. we took a show of hands as to what level of guilt we thought they were. and it became immediate that it was men against women, murder versus manslaughter. the main issue, said hazel, was the brothers story of abuse. the women believed them. the men did not. did ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220122 09:36:00

reporter: the prosecution believed the brothers were flat out lying about the abuse, and the events leading up to the murders, and as it turned out their testimony gave the state a big opening. they offered their mental state as a defense. so when you offer your mental state as a defense you have waived your psychiatric patient privilege. reporter: the oziel tape. remember that? by testifying, the brothers had put their mental state on center stage meaning the tape was now fair game. the defense played the tape to take the sting out of it. what erik and i did took courage beyond belief. reporter: detective zoeller remember had never heard the tape before, and he was dumbfounded. this was supposedly a candid confession tape, but on it the brothers never once mentioned the issue that was now the very core of their defense. why did you ever murder your parents? oh, because they were sexually molesting us. that never came out. why wouldn t he tell his therapist? ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211206 08:36:00

As it turned out their testimony gave the state a big opening. they offered their mental state as a defense. so when you offer your mental state as a defense you have waived your psychiatric patient privilege. the oziel tape. remember that? by testifying, the brothers had put their mental state on center stage meaning the tape was now fair game. the defense played the tape to take the sting out of it. what erik and i did took courage beyond belief. detective zoeller remember had never heard the tape before, and he was dumbfounded. this was supposedly a candid confession tape, but on it the brothers never once mentioned the issue that was now the very core of their defense. why did you ever murder your parents? oh, because they were sexually molesting us. that never came out. why wouldn t he tell his therapist? big deal? the prosecution thought so, but by then the jury had already heard many hours of tearful ....

Doesnt-go-to-the-jury , Patient-privilege , State , Testimony , Opening , Oziel-tape , Brothers , Tape , Sting , Fair-game , Center-stage , Parents