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trillion is where it stands now. >> and students who do not qualify for the specific program say it is not legal. so far, 26 million have applied for relief and 16 million approved. when the legal challenges put it on hold. and so, we will break it down and speak to a student who says that there is a clear racials a speblgt -- racial aspect to this as well. we go to jessica outside of the courtroom, and this is a real life impact for millions of borrowers and their families. tell us about this? >> yes, jim. there are practical ramifications. practical, there are 26 million borrowers ...

But after they appliedyied and approved, lower courts knocked it down. so if this is not approved, then they will not have been approved. but if it is approves the program, then those students will be eligible for that debt relief 60 days from when the decision comes by. but the biden administration says they have the power to put this program in place under the heroes act, and that gives the secretary to have the power to modify or waive provisions if there is an emergency, and the biden administration says that the ongoing pandemic is the that emergency and justifies the relief. this court i...

Number one, number two, maybe behind the economy in these states? >> not necessarily the way you think, and i think we're seeing that in virginia right now, that depending on how red or how purple the state is the response is going to be differently calibrated but on the republican side what is popular the liberty of freedom, the choice to make irresponsible decisions that impact a lot of other people, right, and i think as we're starting to see in virginia this is actually an argument that to some extent resonates with the center if you get it right and we were talking in the last segment abo...