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Trump. and desantis is pure on a lot of the covid issues, pure on the florida ethos and conservatism that goes on down there. and he's been able to stay out of this fray. i think mike pence's voice is vital. i think it will be a part of the primary. but the beneficiary of it politically will be someone who wasn't involved on january 6th. that could be someone like desantis. we'll see. there's a lot of runway between now and then. and if trump doesn't run, maybe that changes the calculation. my assumption is he's running. if it's a heads up debate between trump and pence, my assumption is trump...

Marvel actor evangeline lilly revealing in a social media post she attended a rally against vaccine mandates. this was a huge rally, the same event where robert f. kennedy jr. compared those to naziism. lilly writes she wanted to support bodily sovereignty and says nobody should be forced to inject their body with anything against their will. i don't believe answering fear with force will fix our problems. she said i was pro-choice before covid and i am still pro-choice today. back now with mara and leigh mcgowan. what do you think about the fallout of her admitting she went to this rally? >> ...

President trump in washington. it was reported widely and publicly at the time that president trump was inviting a whole delegation of michigan lawmakers in the white house. he was invading the -- insisting he must have won that state an all must of been stolen from him. officially, what the white house said and what the michigan officials said is that the meeting was, to talk about covid. that these michigan officials were coming to the white house to meet to the president to talk about covid issues. really? is that really in fact why he summoned them there? well again, this was november 20th...

Not normal. of course, there's been theft since the beginning of history. what we're seeing now is something very different. >> it's shocking that we turned over policy making. now it's been turned over to the absolute most radical people you can find. race and woke issues are behind the scenes whether or not d.a. alvin bragg will prosecute small crimes. on covid issues, on every issue driving public policy. how have we turned over decision making and judgment policy to the most crazy radicals? >> martha: they're trying to pull it back? this is not working? the public is telling us what they c...

Getting the nomination aren't as high as someone like ron desantis. i think if trump is to be beaten in a primary, it's going to be by someone who is going to be viewed as pure on a lot of issues but also not having, you know, publicly rebuked president trump. and desantis is pure on a lot of the covid issues, pure on the florida ethos and conservatism that goes on down there. and he's been able to stay out of this fray. i think mike pence's voice is vital. i think it will be a part of the primary. but the beneficiary of it politically will be someone who wasn't involved on january 6th. that c...