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Happen again. >> all the more important when less than half the states in the u.s. mandate holocaust education in school. >> what does it matter that there is an increasing lack of understanding or education about the holocaust? >> it matters because this is a plague. you've got to understand how little things grow into bigger things. how people are taught to hate. >> anti-semitism is often described as the canary in the coal mine. it is an indication of a kind of rot that eventually consumes everything. >> for generations, many jews responded to anti-semitism by retreating, staying quiet. but...

>> but there are -- there is -- >> by orders of magnitude. >> right. there is some risk. do you dispute that? >> there can be a very minimal risk with respect to some individuals but again, i would emphasize that i think there is no basis to think these fda-approved and authorized vaccines are not safe and effective. >> i'm not making that point. i tried to make it as clear as i could. i'm not making that point. there is a risk. >> neal, all i could think of was when savannah guthrie was trying to get donald trump to say something intelligent about his views on qanon, and she got so exasperate...

Tyranny. as much fun as we have talking, we need -- i'll tell you, anybody who tells you that joe biden was dutifully elected was lying. if our election systems continue to be rigged and stolen, then it's going to lead to one place, and it's bloodshed and i will tell you, as much as i am willing to defend our liberty at all costs, there's nothing that i would dread doing more than having to pick up arms against a fellow american. >> let's bring into our conversation, harry litman, former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general and charlie sykes, columnist and editor at large...

>> two very quick business stories. one thing to be focused on right now is this issue of american companies sanctions in russia, but the next -- >> this throws you off. carmen doesn't talk about his personal feelings. >> we talk about them differently. >> you yell at each other but you love each other. >> it's like a family. like a thanksgiving day dinner table. >> but he's not like your mom an loved you very much, he's kind of like the crazy uncle. >> let's -- >> "morning joe." he calls himself the real morning joe. >> he does call himself that. >> mika is squeezing my arm. >> the two pieces...

Forcefulness of that speech, and who he's blaming for january 6th, but the message to all of us as a nation that we have got to come together and we've got to face the truth of that day. >> you know, it's interesting, some people might say why did we wait a year for that speech from him. i asked that of somebody over at the white house and they said, you know, there's a time and place, not every speech works well on just a random thursday in the east room. and i think i sort of accept that a little bit, but i also think there was a miscalculation that he made and frankly, i'll confess, that i ...