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Some faith providers from kenya on the subject of Family Planning. So i think it is true what the first panel really emphasizes, that things are evolving and developing and this is an important moment to be exploring this further. And with this panel were eager to talk about it from the focus of the u. S. Policy perspective. And i think to begin with well turn to sandy thurman. Given your long involvement with hiv policy from the u. S. Government can you describe to us more about how pep far began partners with faithbased organizations and how that has evolved. Sure. Thank you. And thank you a...

Here. It is interesting, the Faith Community has been a partner in response to hiv since the beginning of the epidemic both domestically and globally. So i think pet far was an out growth with faithbased organizations on the domestic side for a number of years. When we really began looking at the disproportionate impact of the epidemic in africa back in the late 1990s and early 2000, it was a lot our interest and a lot of the pressure that was brought to bear on the u. S. Government and policymakers was from faithbased organizations who were on the ground in africa seeing the devastation that ...

But i think that our work, the work ahead continues to be the building of trust, the building of understanding, the building of what we call faith literacy and development, this literacy across the two communities. And i would like to just point out that the materials, all the materials for the conference, are available on the website of the joint learning initiative at www. Jliflc. Com. I commebled those to you commend those to you. Anita great. Thank you. Now well open the floor to questions. There will be people coming by with microphones and so please wait to get the microphone before you ...

Test. Test. Test. But were good on the evaluation, not so good on evidence. Sandy . I think this is really a place where we as government donors are slightly schizophrenic because we keep asking for evidence and demanding evidence and talking about data and then we box ourselves in to only having monitoring the evaluation that mark talks about. I think that is a conversation we really need to have and it is not an easy one because again we are all funded by the u. S. Congress and we have our own sort of challenges around that. It is also a place where i think that advocacy on the part of our f...

Okay. Well i will ask each of you on the panel youve done such an amazing work. And, you know have given us so much to think about. I would like to hear from you in summary what you would like to see as next steps as a result of your work. Been that youve put so much effort into the research and the writing, and not necessarily relating to the piece youve written, but how you would like to see this play out, so jill . As someone academy and immersed in evidence, that is what im hinting at at the moment. And its similar to the comment about the lanset by having these papers in here signaling so...