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But to your knowledge, did people at the trump organization know what he was doing? >> not to my knowledge. >> you never heard that name? >> never. >> or anybody else in the trump organization. it was always just cohen talking about cohen? >> exactly. or about the big guy, the boss but never in terms of knowledge or anything like that. i think he's a pro at staying in his lane. >> credibility counts. davidson, what is he doing? why are you representing all of these people? how do you represent stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, somebody else that made allegations about the president? why do you w...

>> didn't the reporter tape it? >> um, yeah, and they said, we have our own to show the true context. it never came out. what i'm saying is this. he's got credibility issues on things small, medium, and large. that's why those tweets are being relevant because he's been lying about this investigation. >> you've got to prove. >> credibility counts. that may be why you don't want him to testify -- >> no, i don't want him to testify because i don't want him to be put up against liars. i don't want a situation like, you know, he says the truth about this. there are three witnesses that can corrobo...

Sides think credibility counts, and we move forward. what do you say? >> all right. we'll give it a shot. >> all right. where's the sticking point? this meeting matters, you know it does. i understand the reference to counsel. i get it. not just because i'm an attorney, but you don't want to answer for the lawyers, you done want to answer for an operation that you're not a part of. i get it. but you can answer for what you said. you don't have to refer to counsel for that. sekulow is not your lawyer, he's the president's lawyer. you're saying, he didn't dictate this, he did what any father wou...

Proportion of credit and look at what the south korea is an leader said about the president. he said he deserves a nobel peace prize. he is in general doing a very good job. >> no. hold on. >> we can micro analyze everything. >> hold on. anthony, just to be clear -- i get your point. here's the thing. it can't be unfair. i was getting attacked saying you can never normalize anything that the president does because they believe he is inherently a malefactor. this is what the frustration is. nobody likes the guy calling balls and strikes. we were talking about him deserving credit about what's g...

Check in late july, and then responded to the white house's subsequent questions on porter last november. then, when the white house -- when the fbi received new information earlier this month, they passed on that, as well. so let's ask the big question one more time. who is lying? is it donald trump's fbi director or is it the white house, which has changed its porter story nearly every day. folks, credibility counts. and in the past year, this white house has proven not to have much of it. sarah huckabee sanders will brief reporters in a few minutes. how is she going to explain herself this ...