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Portrait painted of this white house, crazytown is the phrase apparently that general kelly used. i know you've been on the receiving end of a woodward book when you were working the obama white house. a, do you believe he has credibility issues as the president is now claiming. and b, just the portrait of this white house, i'm wondering how it compares and how much it alarms you, somebody who has actually worked, you know, in the obama white house. >> yeah, well, let me deal with the credibility issue. it is -- it is preposterous to assume that all of these stories and all of these sources ar...

Ward. david gergen who served numerous presidents dating back to the nixon administration and our chief analyst, gloria borger. david gergen, i'm not sure where to begin on this. what stands out to you? >> i think we ought to talk about the credibility issue. we go way back and it's true on a number of his books there have been questions and people refuted and said i never said that and so forth, but the look at the series of books, he has enormous credibility coming out of these. every book he has written to the best of my recollection has been proven in his essence. there were details he may...

Is what the republican chairman said, there's chaos, there's collusion, and there's a credibility issue. and so there's nothing well oiled about that particular machine. >> oh, wow. so -- >> a little alliteration for you. >> it is. so i'm going to put up the quote from t"the washington post," je, but i want to ask you the question, because you worked in the obama white house. is it difficult to praepare for what might be next, if they do have so much turnover there? the last line is, it's like tumbleweeds rolling down the halls over there. nobody's prepared for war, if there is a blue wave, th...

The fact that people who are nearest to him, in his closest circle, have recorded conversations with him. i think the fact that he has been caught in a lie by "washington post" well over 1,500 times since he was inaugurated demonstrate that there is not only a credibility problem since, i think, c-word is what the republican chairman said, there's chaos, there's collusion, and there's a credibility issue. and so there's nothing well oiled about that particular machine. >> oh, wow. so -- >> a little alliteration for you. >> it is. so i'm going to put up the quote from "the washington post," jen...

Of the testimony who may have had credibility issue. and three, in some way i had something to prosecute you about. i can't just offer immunity for no reason. it is a very threat waiting on the president of the united states. one that probably can't be turned into ammunition for what a witch hunt would look like. >> a bigger threat to the president, why? >> i made it clear. you can't get rid of the entire southern district of new york. it's not just the southern district investigating now. the trump and trump team. you have the state attorney general of new york and the district attorney. you ...