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Educate north koreans very directly about the benefits they would get of becoming a responsible power. >> final thought. >> the president's administration is learn just how hard it is to get china to cooperate with you when you're simultaneously trying to bash them. >> matt? >> i think the credibility issue is a huge heardel to get over for this administration, making these threats they can't back up. >> thank you all for sticking around with me for this kind of rock and roll hour on rabd. of course we end the show as we always do with the big picture today. from california. you've got to see ...

When the second bush administration came in, the relationship toxified. it has been bad before. the difference is north korea warns about strikes in colorful, flowery language, turn wash-into a sea of fire, annihilate the united states. it seems north korea is quite confident they could pull something like this off, or they're really bluffing here. the fact they would specify the missile, the trajectory, how many kilometers it would travel, how far it would come to guam, it seems they either feel they can do this and can pull it off or they're bluffing, hoping the united states will dial back ...

Approval to put boots on the ground somewhere. this credibility is important and at a time like that you can imagine this hurting him. the credibility issue is not just with the american people. look at the way he interacted with members of congress especially through the health care debate. at the end of the exercise, they felt he didn't have our backs. went out on a limb. he wasn't there to actually support us when we really needed it. at a time he really needs the support, sort of exchange some the -- you don't get the change on the other end. people start getting more upset. right. like i ...

I'm a skeptic of that. i'm not a liar on that issue. >> you're also not a scientist and -- >> so what? >> when you have 13 agencies from the scientists from the government saying it's a credibility issue. >> it's wrong, chris. >> that's why people don't trust the white house. >> it's wrong for people in the media to say on issues of abortion, on climate change, on the -- >> how is abortion and climate change the same thing, matt? >> it's about science. guess what? you're wrong on the science, many of you who believe that people on the pro-life side aren't looking at the science of it, come on,...

Bigger concern for them than the credibility question. normally a president at this point in tenure, credibility looks that bad in key polls and measures and jeff said, their own measures seeing the same things. that would care a lot about that. this president thinks he can say what he wants to say, exaggerates here, embellishes here, what people expect of him. if he can't be the change agent he promised people won't tolerate that much longer and i think they're aware of that. >> also i say we talk about the polls through such a political lens. obviously, these poll numbers were very important...