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The very, very end that will be immigration the wall. it's a big signifier for a lot of their base. its a big thing to keep going back to the scary caravans and dangerous brown people coming to get them. it will be a trope they repeat and repeat and repeat. >> i think there's a risk with the cross pressure of the trump base. i think in the trump base you have people who think trump does what's in the military's interest, and it's not. that trump made this case for security interests. this actually is not. a normal president would say my real success was lowering illegal crossing. there's too m...

Women save people in military zones and also humanitarian crises. and this will be another cross-pressure with that trump base, it sinks in that we've become a laughing stock, europeans now trust russians and chinese more than us. >> well, nicolle, i think that's a really important question to ask and i don't have a lot of precise information on it. i would say though that vice president pence was completely loyal and true to the trump message throughout, in poland and then in germany, and he is a traditional republican. he is somebody whose views of the world would have been quite at home in ...

Feels that way, feels exactly as chris just described. they feel that intensity. you so you can keep them ginned up. >> so then -- the base intensity on this, though, is something that doesn't always respond to the same amount of stimulus, right? you have to keep upping it a little bit. >> or activity, right? >> so there is no -- there's the shutdown but there's no new argument. there's no new evidence of support. there's no new -- >> right. >> i mean -- >> the shutdown may peel some of that off. there is also no data that i've seen that shows the base grows when you shut the government down. ...

Will be the cross pressure. things like russia would be bad. >> donald trump never lets republicans talk about the economy because he tweets all day every day about the phony witch hunt run by a republican. >> exactly. and if he does talk about it -- >> me? >> no, you're not mueller. >> point at me. >> he's at war are republicans. >> there is a double short on the tax cut and economy. that is wages for a lot of americans. wages have been flat or actually declining more so under donald trump than they were under barack obama. so it's a mixed bag. but as a result they're not talking about anythi...

Finding a replacement when the united states senate is where it is, institutionally he is a member of the club and the united states senate would be -- would rally around jeff sessions. he obviously would be out of office, but it would be very hard for trump to get another attorney general confirmed when from the far-right to the far left are on jeff sessions' side. trump gets that. what he's trying to do, what he thought when he started down this path was badger, bully sessions enough that sessions would finally throw up his hands and quit. and that was not a crazy idea until sessions at some...